My buddy Jeremy, who I met years ago, I believe on an Air New Zealand delivery flight for their new 777-300, is a popular and talented aviation photographer. He recently tweeted something concerning, a risk which all travelers should know about.
“Honest question: can a crew member physically prevent me from getting off of the airplane until I showed them the contents of my phone (they wanted to see the last 3 photos) to verify that I did not take a photo that contained them in it.”
Honest question: can a crew member physically prevent me from getting off of the airplane until I showed them the contents of my phone (they wanted to see the last 3 photos) to verify that I did not take a photo that contained them in it. pic.twitter.com/d6m42a8ck4
— JDL (@photoJDL) October 28, 2022
The incident happened on October 28 on an American Airlines flight (AA 5510) operated by PSA between Charlotte and Asheville. Jeremy was tweeting back and forth with other avgeeks and included some disturbing details.
Jeremy writes: “I was off the plane and the FA had the captain prevent me from going further down the jetbridge and then brought me *back* onto the plane and took the phone out of my hands.”
“I had stepped into the jetbridge and the FA had what I think was the pilot or FO block me from going further. Then they brought me back on the plane and the FA demanded I open my phone and show them the last several photos and then took the phone out of my hands to inspect them.”
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Jeremy is a smart man who understands airline policies. He went on to tweet: “I get that they may have a policy about not photographing staff without their permission. I get that and support that. Does suspecting a passenger violated that enable them to functionally detain someone and search a personal device?”
I’ve sent Jeremy a message asking for more information about what happened but he’s definitely not the first nor the last passenger to whom this has happened, which is the point of this article.
As Zach Honig, a very popular aviation blogger, who used to work for The Points Guy, wrote: “This is incredibly upsetting to hear. I can’t believe they thought for a moment that it’s acceptable to force you back onto the plane and demand to see your phone. Sorry this happened to you ?”
Zach has firsthand experience with this as he wrote a post in 2015 titled: “When Photography Gets You in Trouble at 35,000 Feet.”
Zach was on another American Airlines flight, a widebody to London with his girlfriend. “The purser was accusing her of taking pictures on the plane, which, apparently is forbidden. Except that it’s not — well, not exactly. The thing is, Sarah didn’t even have a camera — I was the one taking pictures. The purser went so far as to say “this could be trouble for the both of you,” which carried some pretty serious implications, especially given the current state of commercial air travel.”
Zach contacted American Airlines PR and they confirmed the policy to him with this statement: “American allows photography and video recording for personal use. For many customers, taking photos and sharing them on social networks has become part of their travel experience. When photographs and video are used for professional purposes, we do our best to notify flight crews so they are aware and prepared to offer some additional latitude with journalists and bloggers.”
Another AvGeek, Charles Ryan Teo, replied to Jeremy’s thread stating: “I had crew insisting on me deleting the photos but that was during the flight. I was on Transasia. No issue with other crew on this flight, only with this particular one. I was just taking photos of the cabin and nothing else.”
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@dubshn1028 from Ireland chimed in with: “It happens a lot of some European airlines where a warning is given not to photo crew or pax but they can photograph the outside of the plane I know some of the bloggers get away with it.”
Personally, I have also had a similar experience in 2006 while flying Newark to Porto, Portugal on TAP. I was on a government/airline-funded press trip and was shocked that within a minute of boarding the aircraft, I was scolded. I wrote on my blog: “I got off to a bad start with the flight attendant, because when I first sat down I took a picture. He came over and said, “no pictures allowed on the plane.” I thought he was joking, but he wasn’t. Have you ever heard of such a stupid thing? I reverted to sneaking pictures (not using a flash) so I could share my experiences with you.”
I can understand about not wanting me to take photos of the flight attendants and other passengers, which I almost never do without asking for their permission but not being able to take photos of the seat, the food and myself is ridiculous.
I did take a big chance, continuing to take pictures, which I wouldn’t do today. It was dumb, especially on a foreign airline as I could have ended up in jail. My advice includes a few basic and simple things:
1. Don’t take photos of the crew or other passengers without their permission.
2. If asked not to take photos, stop.
3. If asked to delete your photos, it’s best to comply or risk being banned from the airline, losing your status/miles or worse, being arrested (depending on the country).
Have you ever been yelled at or physically detained because you took photos on a plane? If yes, please share the details (airline, year, what happened) in the comments section.
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Everyone, including some airline employees, confuse the prohibition on taking photos that demonstrate security procedures and the common practice of not taking someone’s photo without permission. I work for an airline and often find this misunderstanding.
I love shooting photos and videos, I love flying and I love mid-altitude photos. For several years, the only prohibition I faced was against powering on any battery operated device. I bought entirely mechanical cameras so I could shoot photos during takeoff and landing. One flight, though, was unlike all the others. It was a Delta flight from Texas to Virginia, I think, about 2016. It started well enough. The flight crew was smiling and laughing as I shot photos of them and the inside of the cockpit. Soon after the jet’s passenger door closed, though, as I stopped video recording the inside of the jet, a FA approached me and asked if I had captured her in my camera. I supposed there was a chance, though I wasn’t trying to get her. She demanded that I erase those photos. I refused. She warned me that I must comply with her instructions. I refused. She left and another FA sat next to me. After takeoff, she turned to me and said that she was the FA supervisor and she wanted me to delete my photos. She warned me that I would face legal prosecution if I did not comply. I refused. She told me that I would be arrested when we landed; then, she left me. I felt absolutely horrible–I hate confrontation–but I was certain that they had no right to view or delete my photos against my consent. Another FA offered me an extra can of beverage (I chose Sprite). I told myself that, after all, I had done nothing wrong, and I began feeling better. When we landed, I was apprehended by several men, who escorted me in front of all the other passengers so abruptly that I actually tripped over a bag a child was pulling behind her. I was taken to a small office off to the side of the passenger area, where a security officer, a detective, the FA who made the original complaint and maybe a few other people all gathered. I was asked several questions, which I answered as best I could, but I repeatedly refused to let anyone view or delete my photos. When it looked like I might be winning my argument, the FA would voice angry objections, including suggesting that it was suspicious that I had stopped recording and quickly put my camera away just as she walked up to me. Eventually, the FA left the meeting. After the detective said that he would let me go, and we all agreed that I was within my legal rights, he asked to see the contents of my camera. I shrugged and agreed. At one point, we did, indeed, catch a glimpse of the FA, and the security officer pointed and said, “Right there!” But they also saw photos of the flight crew smiling into my camera, and, after all, I had done nothing wrong. The detective warned me that the Dallas office likely would not be so understanding as he had been. So, I was released and continued on to my next flight.
Several weeks later, I was on a business trip on the same route. I really didn’t want to fly that airline, but that wasn’t my choice to make. Not too surprisingly, the same FA crossed paths with me. You should have seen her face! That glare could have killed!
I think this is the danger of making the instructions of air crew absolute and unquestionable. They get the idea that they can do anything, give any order, violate any right… sort of like a lot of government bureaucratic agencies behave.
Lexi, et al, how lucky you were during your obviously illustrious career not to be sued.
Company policies can not and do not supersede the law.
On this occasion the flight deck employee and the cabin attendant have very obviously acted illegally. Sue them personally (as well as their employer) and this sort of overbearing and illegal behaviour will be greatly minimised (it’ll never be wiped out – people are people!).
They should prohibit to take pictures and videos Police ?♀️. Look what happened with the Black guy died becuase I can’t breathe. The BLM were so angry that destroy all nation cities.
They should prohibit the social media and journalists pictures/ videotape police also.
They should prohibit to take pictures/ videos inside the airport where are employees and airlines out there also because people are complaining about their damage luggage ? and put it social media without permission and this cost pain to the airlines employees or companies industry.
If you Cuba ??, Russia ?? and China ?? prohibited: Why not us America ?????
As a Flight Attendant with a major carrier, what the FA and the pilots did was actually illegal.
First off, a company policy is not law. Crews can’t violate individual rights (illegal search and seizure, 4th Amendment) anymore that a law enforcement officer can violate rights.
Second, the airline policy has to do with professional commercial photography, not individuals taking pictures on their personal travels.
Air travel is public transportation. There is no expectation of privacy in public. Whether you’re on a train, subway, bus, amusement park ride, people are taking pictures and you may be in the picture intentionally or unintentionally.
Lynne above is mistaken, even with her 42 years.
Here’s how ridiculous it is for crew to think it’s a “no, no”. Crews walk through the airport while people are taking pictures. Or standing out front of the terminal. Or in hotel lobbies. Is it a “no, no” for people to capture a pic of the crew members in their pictures?
If someone really wanted pictures of crew members there are ample opportunities off the aircraft and even on the aircraft. And realistically, what good does it do for someone to have a picture of me? What do they gain that somehow is a security issue? What do they gain with a picture of aircraft interior? Interior pictures are available in all sorts of publications and films available to the public! It’s not a secret!
If you don’t want your picture taken in public then cover your face. Don’t ask or demand people delete their pictures because of some false or mistaken idea about policies.
We are one wacky society!
EWH
As a 42 year career FA, I have know for years that a passenger taking pictures, or videos, of the crew is a no no. Think outside your personal box…it’s a huge security issue. Duh! End of story.
Public photography is not a crime. It is a 1st Amendment protected activity. If you are in a public place, anything you can see, you can record. Basically, there is no expectation of privacy in public. The supreme court has upheld this. That being said, in the plane is private property, so if there is a policy against photography, that can be enforced. They cannot legally detain you for something that is against policy versus against a law. They cannot search you without a warrant. Both are civil rights violations.
Lexi,
You are correct. cabin crew can ASK. they can NOT force. 1. Once the door opens the flight crew’s legal authority is zip. they can order a pizza, but nothing else. 2. forcibly accomplishing this during the flight or after would be anything from battery to kidnapping. hope you are ready to get a pair of stainless steel bracelets and a felony record and or a black eye from someone lawfully defending themselves from you.
Everybody wants privileges turned into rights. It will come back and bite you and you will regret the turn towards self. Respect other people’s wishes when in their house. When locked up in a tube house at 30k feet there add better be rules. Example: you can profane all you want and no one will ask you to stop until you do it in front of their kids. Do it in a commercial flight, Level 1 threat. Off the plane don’t come back if they wish.
As a Delta Diamond and an Alaska MVP 100K, I have not had many issues with taking photos. However, there was a Skywest flight I was on where the Captain was a total jerk. I asked the Flight Attendant if I could look at the cockpit as we deplaned. The FA said I could, and I proceeded to the flight deck. I introduced myself to the captain and asked to take a photo of the cockpit. He became furious and demanded I leave his cockpit. He then followed me to the door and asked me, “Who the f#@k are you, and who do you think you are?” I proceeded to tell him I was sorry, and that I was just getting a photo for my son who is an aviation fan. He continued, “I don’t give a damn if your kid is the President, you don’t ever do that!” He was turning red and obviously very angry. Even the poor Flight Attendant chimed in and said, “Captain, I told him he could!” He just kept ranting and began going off on the flight attendant. I turned around and started my journey up the jetbridge. I turned around after a few steps and told the Captain, “I feel bad for your crew, you are a total arsehole!”
Anyways, that was my one and only terrible experience. I wrote to Skywest and never got a response back. Can’t blame them, because that is just unacceptable.
Should have told them to fuck off. Not the police. Have no right to ask or block you from leacing for any reason.